[mplpost] more on definitions

estelle klein estelle@kos.net
Thu Aug 10 16:52:39 2000


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From Estelle Klein
It was my choice not to offer opinions in the original posting. Now =
Derek's letter prompts these comments.
I agree with Derek's point about the questionable need for definitions =
in particular commercial arenas. I am, however, concerned about the =
stereotype of folk, as presented on a CBC show. What it did show was =
that at times people still have a need to define the genre and that when =
an occasion arises definitions do get used, sometimes =
flippantly,possibly off the cuff AND without substance.
 I believe strongly in this kind of music in its myriad forms and have =
given most of my life to it. I want it to be given fair and respectful =
treatment as with jazz, symphonic music or ... whatever. I believe the =
speaker intended no insult.  He presented a warm & fuzzy general view of =
a vast and varied field. I think we are more than that.=20
The need to define arises in particular situations where there is not =
the freedom enjoyed by Derek. I think Harbourfront has a great array of =
music and a wonderfully mixed and receptive audience for the most part. =
It is unlike that of smaller locales apart from festival -type events.
My own programming work when apart from a strictly folk event often =
requires that I educate a bit.  One often has to explain why a =
particular form of music, might be different but perhaps equally =
suitable and perhaps even more interesting than the commonly heard and =
more familiar commercial pop music.  Not a question of good Vs bad!  I =
have to believe that many folk performers can find themselves in similar =
situations. Not everyone works in a major urban centre.
In cases like these it helps to be able to articulate what one does, and =
what makes it different. In the case of songwriters it may be easier - =
we exist in a songwriting culture.  In the case of those who interpret =
traditional music (from any culture) it will not
be as easy, particularly in a place like Picton, where I live. This is =
common to most most small towns
To be able to make a good case for the less than usual requires some =
ability to define in some way. You become a salesperson with knowledge.
=20
"Folk as a word recalls the sixties for many" is all too true. I believe =
this particular nostalgia does not serve the folk community well.  =20

To sum up; definitions for marketing niches are necessary/helpful. The =
terms "folk roots", "world roots", "traditional folk"  all sound good to =
me. Being prepared to use an occasional sensible definition when the =
need arises might help the 'cause' - which I suspect is of interest to =
most maplefolk.
Keep those definitions or comments alive ?
Regards and thanks=20
Estelle Klein
<estelle@kos.net>

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From Estelle Klein
It was my choice not to offer opinions in the = original=20 posting. Now Derek's letter prompts these comments.
I agree with Derek's point about the = questionable need for definitions = in=20 particular commercial arenas. I = am, however,=20 concerned about the stereotype of folk, as presented on a CBC show. What = it did=20 show was that at times people still have a need to define the genre and = that=20 when an occasion arises definitions do get used, sometimes = flippantly,possibly=20 off the cuff AND without substance.
 I believe strongly in this = kind of music in its myriad forms and have given most of my = life to it. I=20 want it to be given fair and respectful treatment as with jazz, = symphonic music=20 or ... whatever. I believe the = speaker=20 intended no insult.  He presented a warm & fuzzy general view = of a vast=20 and varied field. I think we are more than that.
The need to define arises in = particular=20 situations where there is not the = freedom=20 enjoyed by Derek. I think Harbourfront has a great array of music and a=20 wonderfully mixed and receptive audience for the most part. It is unlike = that of=20 smaller locales apart from festival -type events.
My own programming work when apart = from a=20 strictly folk event often requires that I educate a bit.  One often = has to=20 explain why a particular form of music, might=20 be different but perhaps equally suitable and = perhaps even=20 more interesting than the commonly heard and more familiar commercial = pop=20 music.  Not a question of good Vs bad!  I have to believe that = many=20 folk performers can find themselves in similar situations. Not everyone = works in=20 a major urban centre.
In cases like these it helps to be able to = articulate what one=20 does, and what makes it different. In the case of songwriters it may be = easier -=20 we exist in a songwriting culture.  In the case of those who = interpret traditional music (from any culture) it will = not
be as easy, particularly in a place like Picton, = where I live.=20 This is common to most most small towns
To be able to make a good case = for the=20 less than usual requires some ability to define in = some way.=20 You become a salesperson with knowledge.
 
"Folk as a word recalls the sixties for = many" is all=20 too true. I believe this particular nostalgia does not serve the folk = community=20 well.  
 
To sum up; definitions for marketing niches are=20 necessary/helpful. The terms "folk roots", "world = roots",=20 "traditional folk"  all sound good to me. Being prepared = to=20 use an occasional sensible definition when the = need arises=20 might help the 'cause' - which I suspect is of interest to most=20 maplefolk.
Keep those definitions or comments alive = ?
Regards and thanks
Estelle Klein
<estelle@kos.net>
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